Aug 22, 2006
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The common right is as bad as the common left as it worships the State and its leaders.
The Bible does not teach that the United States’ military is Yahweh’s prophetic sword, an idea that has swept conservative Christian circles and denominations.
Beware of shallow nationalism and also of blind obedience to the government in the name of Christ.
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4 comments so far
Aug 23, 2006Brad Lenzner #
Great topic, guys…a healthy reminder not to confuse the kingdom of God with the Republican (or any other political…even Libertarian!) Party.
Aug 23, 2006Silva Stepanian #
This sort of subject is not usually addressed from the pulpits of Reformed churches (for the right reasons), so it’s really important to hear this podcast. One can learn from it how Reformed teachers apply the Holy Scriptures to politics. Another wonderful podcast related to this subject was Rev. Janbazian’s “Murdering for Caesar,” posted on July 21, 2006. It’s truly funny that if you’re in a non-Christian circle and they know you’re Christian, you would immediately shock everyone if you repeated these views!
Aug 27, 2006Frank Gamboa #
Beautiful! It is so sad how christians in this country have developed this cultic like following for either the left of the right. I remember the 9-11 worship service and bush praying with everybody else, no matter what faith was leading the prayer. Just because someone claims to be a christian is never enough. God has commanded his people to be visibly identified and numbered with a true church. Can we consider the arminian Methodist church a true church?
May 8, 2007Peter G #
Very good treatment overall… I think a generally libertarian stance is quite appropriate for Christians to take, rather than blind allegiance to a political party, or dependence on the government to solve all our moral problems…
But you know, I wouldn’t put abortion in the category of “morality” issues that the State is not responsible to address. Rather, since it is murder, and thus violence done by people against other people, it is a “justice” issue that the State has both an interest and a responsibility in judging justly. In some, purely moral, issues, people are in a sense answerable only to God for their behavior. But in issues of justice – of which murder is pretty much the most extreme example – I think people are rightly answerable to the State for the mistreatment of their fellow man, and in the case of abortion, the murder of their children.
Other than that though, as I said, I think this is a great presentation of an important biblical perspective. Thanks!